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Steam Legends Meet

Nov. 15, 2012

The Mid-Continent Railway Museum in North Freedom, Wisconsin, and Steve Sandberg, president of North Star Rail, Inc. in Minneapolis are joining forces to further the restoration of the museum’s premiere steam locomotive, the Chicago & North Western No. 1385. Sandberg will serve as project consultant, bringing to this project a love of trains and an expertise in steam locomotive restoration which began for him at a very early age.

“My mother and father were founding members of the Minnesota Transportation Museum,” Sandberg says. That was in 1961. “In addition they were instrumental in the formation of the Tourist Railway Association in the early 1970s,” an organization that is best known for uniting the various recreational railroads for mutual support.

“My own experience working with steam locomotives began in 1975 when the MTM pulled former Northern Pacific No. 328 from a park in Stillwater, Minnesota. From 1975 to 1982 I worked closely with the MTM on the locomotive’s overhaul and eventual operation.”

“In 1982 I went to work with Diversified Rail Service in Fort Wayne, Indiana to work on the former Chicago, Burlington & Quincy No. 4960,” Sandberg says. In 1983 he went to work for the Strasburg Railroad, a popular tourist railroad located in Pennsylvania. “My duties included working in the back shop, performing daily inspections, filling in as locomotive fireman, engineer, and hostler.”

In 1985 he returned to the employ of Diversified Rail Services and worked on projects that spanned the country. Steam locomotives are commonly known by initials and numbers and listening to Sandberg talk about the many locomotives whose repair and maintenance he was able to assist invokes a long list of confusing combinations, such as NKP 765, OC 1551, LS&I 18 & 19, GT 4070 and SP 4449.

For most of the people who visit rail museums to see or ride behind the locomotives stamped with these identifying marks they are little more than hieroglyphics. But they are the proof of the dedication of Sandberg and others like him, who have worked hard to keep these vestiges of America’s dynamic railroad heritage in operation and on display for the rest of us to enjoy.

Sandberg himself is best known for the revival of the former Milwaukee Road No. 261 as a functioning steam locomotive. “From 1991 till the present I have been the primary person behind the overhaul, maintenance and operation of No. 261. We have operated over 35,000 miles in 21 different states from 1992 through 2008.”

Sandberg and his volunteer shop crew have just completed a major overhaul on his locomotive and expect to resume offering excursions in 2013, leaving him time now to bring his experience and expertise to the C&NW No. 1385 project.

No. 1385 is the museum’s best known locomotive. “It was the first locomotive used when Mid-Continent first offered its steam-powered train rides in North Freedom in 1963,” says Mid-Continent’s president Jeff Bloohm. “But it attained its popular status as the Midwest Ambassador of Steam when it headed up excursions throughout the Chicago & North Western rail system during the 1980s, including three successive years pulling the Great Circus Train between Baraboo and Milwaukee.” It has since been listed on both the National and State Registers of Historic Places.

The locomotive has been out of service since the summer of 1998 and the museum’s early attempts to restore it to operating condition stalled due to the high cost such ancient machinery requires to meet current standards. Work resumed in June 2011 when Mid-Continent received a $250,000 challenge grant from the Wagner Foundation of Lyons, Wisconsin, but at a pace far slower than desired.

“I am very excited that Steve is joining our team. His background and expertise gives another dimension to the project to further insure its success and timely completion,” says the Foundation’s president, Bobbie Wagner.

Meeting the Wagner Foundation’s challenge is just a start, however. The estimated total cost of No. 1385’s restoration is expected to exceed $1.5 million. “The ultimate benefit to Mid-Continent’s train operations makes the investment worth every cent,” Bloohm says. “The museum’s attendance has dwindled since the last steam train ride was given in 2000 as part of the popular Snow Train weekend.

“Having a steam locomotive at the head of the train is appropriate for our mission, Bloohm states, “but it is essential to the financial success of our organization as well. Having Steve on board will move the 1385 project along more quickly. His track record with the 261 proves he is very capable.”

Both locomotives share a common ancestry. They were built by the American Locomotive Company in their Schenectady, New York shops. No. 1385 is older, with a builder’s date of 1907, while No. 261 came much later in 1944. The younger locomotive is far larger, weighing in at 460,000 pounds, dwarfing the more diminutive No. 1385 which weighs a mere 164,000 pounds.

“For the record,” Sandberg says, “the first locomotive on which I ever sat at the throttle and operated was the 1385.” Contributions to help the railway museum meet the Wagner Foundation’s challenge may be made to the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, PO Box 358, North Freedom, WI 53951 or on-line at

Click on the Donate Now button found on the home page.

For more information about Steve Sandberg and the operations of Milwaukee Road No. 261 visit

Don Meyer
Mid-Continent Railway Historical Society, Inc.
P.O. Box 358, North Freedom, WI  53951

(608) 669-1385

Upcoming Work Session

May 16, 2012

A C&NW 1385 steam locomotive restoration work session has been announced for May 25th and 26th. That is the Friday and Saturday of Memorial Day weekend. One of the individuals leading the work that day, Al Joyce reports: 

"We are continuing to take measurements for the studs and other points on the boiler. Again I could use some younger members to go to the harder to get to places. The train rides will be running, so you can be seen by thousands, well maybe many, working on a STEAM ENGINE. You will attain hero status in the publics' eye. 

We are in fact getting to the parts of the boiler that are some of the hardest to measure. Any and all help will be gladly accepted. If you can help, please stop by."

No advanced sign-up, prior volunteer experience or great knowledge of steam locomotives is necessary. What is necessary is gloves and clothing you don't mind getting dirty. Al and the other regular volunteers are happy to share their knowledge of steam locomotives with first time volunteers.

Upcoming Work Session

April 7, 2012

Another workday on the C&NW 1385 steam locomotive restoration is planned for Friday, April 13th. Work will include measuring positions of studs and other parts so they can be plotted out for the new boiler. The work is not difficult, but some parts of it will require working from a ladder. For that reason, help from younger volunteers is especially encouraged this time around. No previous volunteer experience is necessary. Experienced volunteer leaders will be on hand to lead the work.

Upcoming Work Session

March 29, 2012

The next C&NW no. 1385 steam locomotive restoration workday has been announced for Friday, April 6th beginning at 9 a.m in Mid-Continent's engine house. Tasks are to include finishing removal of the running boards and exhaust stand. Work on removing the cylinder saddles may also begin if time allows. No prior volunteer experience or sign-up is necessary. All that is needed is a bit of muscle and willingness to get a bit dirty

Preparations to Remove the Boiler

Jan. 8, 2012

A work session was arranged for Saturday, January 7, 2012 to continue work started before the holidays on the Chicago & Northwestern no. 1385. The primary goal in these recent work sessions have been to remove exterior appliances from the locomotive boiler and frame.  This work is being done in preparation for boiler removal from the frame and the shipment of the running gear to a shop for rebuild.  Having sat idle and exposed to the elements for much of the time since it last operated in June of 1998, removal of many of the pieces have proven to be no easy undertaking and to make matters even more difficult, items like the running board brackets have not be removed from the boiler in many decades.

The crew for the day was led by Ed Ripp and Pete Deets. Assisting were Kelly Bauman, Richard Colby, and engine house first-timers Adam Stutz and Jeffrey Lentz. Jim Busse was also on hand and performed some much-needed cleaning and organization of the engine house and surrounding area.

With the 1385 parked in the engine house and the large south door open to let in the sun and unseasonably mild temperatures, work began. Pete, Ed and Richard all took turns climbing into the smokebox to clean rust from the blast pipe and smokestack mountings. Removal of the engineer side air reservoir brackets also took place. Work proceeded slowly as the rust necessitated most bolts be cut with a torch.

Close quarters between the 1385 and the engine house wall on the fireman side of the locomotive required that the R-1 be towed by MCRY no. 4 to a location just outside of the engine house to reduce fire risk from the shower of sparks. Once outside, work was able to proceed on removal of the air reservoir tank brackets and running boards. Work also began on the removal of the smokestack.  With the more advanced work left largely to Pete and Ed, restoration newcomers Richard, Adam and Jeffrey took on the removal of the pilot support brackets at the front of the locomotive, a job suited to their flexibility.

Work continued as darkness descended. Finally, with too little light to safely continue, work was halted at about 6 pm and the 1385 was rolled safely back into the engine house to await the next work weekend.

All photos by Jeffrey Lentz.

The 1385 work crew for January 7, 2012. From left to right, Jeffrey Lentz, Adam Stutz, Richard Colby, Kelly Bauman, Pete Deets, and Ed Ripp.

C&NW 1385 in the engine house.

C&NW 1385 in the engine house.

C&NW No. 1385 (left) and Western Coal & Coke No. 1 (right).

Ed Ripp inside the firebox as he clears rust and debris from the blast pipe mounting.

Adam Stutz contorts his body to try to better reach the pilot mounting bracket bolts.

Pete Deets uses a torch cutter to loosen the air reservoir mounting brackets and running boards.

Pete Deets uses a torch cutter to loosen the air reservoir mounting brackets and running boards.

The 1385 is towed from the engine house to minimize fire risk.

Ed is in good spirits despite the rust's best attempts to thwart plans for removing the smokestack.

View from the 1385 running boards looking toward the absent cab.

Ed navigates the Lull (forklift) into position to remove the smokestack as Pete observes.

By late afternoon, the smokestack finally is freed from the smokebox.

The smokestack has seen its better days. It has had several repairs made over the years to keep it going. When the smokestack was being preped for removeal, it was found that several of the old welds had broken. At some point, a few pieces were even welded to the smokebox to keep them in place.

Daylight made an existing crack to the front of the smokestack readily visible.

Pete creates a shower of sparks in the process of beginning the removal of the fireman side running board.

Richard Colby takes on the removal of the last pilot mounting bracket.

All the while, Jim Busse continues to tidy up the engine house.

Kelly Bauman as seen as through the hole where the smokestack previously stood. The welded-on piece from the smokestack is seen remaining to the left.

Removal of the fireman side running board continues as darkness descends but it proved to be too stubbornly set in its place to remove before it became too dark to continue.

With work done for the day, the 1385 (right) was brought back into the engine house next to the Western Coal & Coke No. 1.

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